A search for Truth is the single thread tying atheist, religious, secular

The opinions expressed in this article are those of the writer, and may not be those of the First Church of Atheism.


The Truth is the idea held by those with the most influence. The Truth in itself is not what is important because obviously, the Truth can change overnite with a new discovery or advance, or rejection of such previous ideas thought to be the Truth.

What is paramount to the Truth is the motivation of the ones claiming to hold it.

I do not condemn Christians for wanting to save unborn babies. I do not condemn women who want to use abortion as birth control.

Both have the right to think what they want.

If we look for the Truth in this example as absolute, than it is simple, and the reason Christians have the moral high ground on this one: if all women had abortions, the human race would go extinct. If all men treated women as sexual objects to be violated and perverted, than the babies born of mass fornification would develop and grow in a vacum of family as the women are prostituted out and the boys are too, in a cycle of death and desperation.

If all women and men followed the teachings of Christ, then only had sex with a partner they have Wed for life and love the children born with all their heart, than the population grows with love which implies willing to forgive which implies social stability which implies education, which implies advancement, which implies new questions to find the Truth.

Atheism is actually a form of Christianity, you just don’t know it. You don’t want people to be judged for their actions. Neither did Jesus. You don’t want the current religious establishment to dominate your life. Niether did Jesus. You don’t want the current religious establishment to tell you your belief was wrong and you should be punished. Niether did Jesus. You don’t want the current morality police telling you what you can digest into your body. Neither did Jesus.

If you read the Gospels of the New Testament, you are reading first hand accounts of what Jesus actually said and did. The accounts have been cross tranlated and reduntantly verified as books were unburied with know translations that matched others.

Jesus’s accounting is written in read. If any person claiming to be a Christian (which, yes, any person can claim anything) but their actions or words are opposite of what Jesus said, call them on it. The Good Aethiest is very familiar with the Teachings of Jesus and how to unbridle them from religious dogma of today. The Teachings of Jesus are that one’s free choice to love themselves and the other’s around them is more important than religious police inditing its populace for doing just that. Jesus walked the earth. He was real. What he said was by both logically and moraly correct, as the two go hand in hand. Its illogical for a woman to want to kill the baby of her and her loving husband in the loving environment of their home and lives.

It is illogical to want to bring a baby into the world so the neglectful mother can let it starve, be abused, suffer, then die at her and a dominant sexual male that abuses and hurts her too. It would be morally unexceptable for her NOT to have the ability to terminate the pregnancy where the conception was one of rape, exploitation, servitude, drug addiction, or otherwise forced obedience to sexual abuse.

Again, both are True and both are directly opposite of each other. Even to the view of the people, the Christian wants to rush to the aid of the neglected baby, while the neglectful couple is spiteful that those that have “it” easier than them should come over and tell them why they aren’t good enough to take care of the baby.

Again total opposites in thought too, both wrong (The Christians are wrong for focusing on the baby and should instead focus on the couple by forgiving themselves for not liking the couple, forgive the couple silently for all the insults hurled, and the happily offer what ever they have to help the couple understand that they are loved by Jesus and that love not hate or spite or sexual perversion, will give on the freedom of all of life’s chains, whether coming from hateful “christians” or those whose freewill has turned from bad things to prevent even worse bad things into bad things because their fun, but no to the person who is being hurt.

Truth is when you don’t have to lie about any action you took to justify what you say, nor do you lie about actions someone else took to justify your claim to truth.

If you never tell a lie, you will never have to tell a second, or third, and so on.

Help me understand

Submitted By: Mike Walker

If a human father let his son die on a cross and he had the power to stop it. The world would think very badly of him. A god can let his son suffer and die on a cross and you praise him. A book can tell stories that god has killed more people than all the massmurders in history and you still praise him. He can drown, set on fire, deform, mutilate children and you can still praise him.
Believing in god seems so childish. On the play ground a child might say if you play with me I will give you a candy bar. God says if you believe in me I will give you something. People only believe in god because they want to be healed or go to heaven or whatever they think god might do for them. They pray to him to ask for things.
It’s hard to believe in a god that gives you something just because you believe in him. I don’t need a god to do anything for me. Maybe that’s why I don’t believe.
By the way Doctor’s are the first people that will go to hell. It’s because god heals people and doctor’s get paid for it.
Could ya please get god to heal a little faster. The world is haveing trouble affording medical insurance.
So many people have said to me. Why don’t you believe in god just in case? Don’t you think if a god is so smart and powerful to build a world he would catch on to my just in case scheme.
Why didn’t god have some commandments to protect children like thou shall not molest kids? Maybe thou shall not hurt kids. He was probably tired that day and didn’t think about kids. Maybe his tablet was not big enough for more commandments.
The christian community needs one thing very much and that is to have all the answers to questions. They need to get their act together and get the same answers to all questions. How can you get someone to believe you if you don’t have the answers or different answers to quetions? You will never be able to have the answers. Get used to the non believers being around because of that.
If god is so loveing and careing he sure is mad much of the time in the bible.
A survey completed by a college estimates that at current groth of non believers. In 40 years there will be more non believers than believers. I think the christian community is handling religion so poorly that this even will happen sooner.
My most important question is why do christians dislike us for not believing in god? Why is it such a big deal.
You tell me there is a god and my only option is to believe you. It seems I am not allowed to not believe. I wish you believed in this great country being free. I spent 20 years in the military for what I thought was protecting our right to freedom. Ya I was one of those atheist people in the military. I seen that article on no atheist in fox holes. In the military as a supervisor I learned that if you wanted your troops to do something. You had to lead by example. If your troops were to have sharp uniforms, your uniform better be sharp too. If they were to be on time and hard working you as a leader better be on time and hard working. It’s a shame god didn’t join the military and learn this valuable lesson. He don’t seem to lead by example.
When I got my dog tags the individual printing them didn’t have a label for someone who didn’t believe in god so they labled me as a prodistant. I didn’t know what a prodistant was.
Years ago in Philadelphia, people had to attend church in order to vote. They got rid of laws like that because of people rights to be free. I know one thing for sure. Christians are not going to give us our rights easily. We have to protect them very carefully. People have the right to be religious and we have the right not to be.
Protect your rights very carefully. They can be taken away so easily. Please be curtious while protecting those rights.

Atheist thinks it would be fun to be christian

Submitted By: Mike Walker

Christian’s have it made. They can do anything they want and God will forgive them to do it again. They can kill, rape, commit adultry. If They don’t follow any of the 10 commandments god will forgive them. I don’t have anyone like that. I have to be good all the time.
Prisons are full of believers in god. You would think society would be free of all sin with so many godley people running around. No we have to have police to protect us from the christians who have a blanket I can sin card.
I have seen it written that 85% of people believe in god but they can only get 35% of them in church. God really seems to be a real dumbass to me. He wants people to be good and not sin but when they do he forgives them to do it again.
It’s fun to read the bible. Where else can you read a story about an old man who has two daughters that take turns getting him drunk so they can take him to bed and get pregnant by him.
Wher else can you read a story about gods favorite person Jacob. He and his wife can’t have children. Oh well wife says I can’t do the job the maid will do it for me. No one ask the maid what she wanted. Ain’t that rape?
In numbers chaperter 31 god told Moses to build an army of thousands to kill all the people of Median. They killed all the men all the male children, all women were killed except virgins. I wonder how they figured out which ones were virgins. Do they have a virgin tester? How do I apply for that job?. Didn’t moses bring down the 10 commandments like thou shall not kill. Why did god hire them to kill. Hey I want to have some fun too. How do I apply?
What’s the deal? I want to be a christian and have fun too.

Why we must talk about atheism in the open?

Submitted By: Being Human

It is quite reasonable to ask why active atheists are often spending their time just opposing something. Atheists are not bringing any new ideology to replace the religions. They just claim that people can live a fuller and freer life without the reigns of religions.

Why am I spending my precious time writing these words? I could as well leave the whole business and just admit that some people think like me and others do not.

The issue is not so simple, however. This attitude is quite justified if religion is a private matter and it is not on offer every day in daycare, in preschool, school, boy scouts and even in communal care for the elderly as is the case here in Finland, which has a reputation as an extremely secular nation.

If also the important Rites of Passage, like birth of a new baby, marriage, funeral could easily be arranged without bringing religion to the game, there would not be a need to bring atheist thinking to the public eye.

If the often surprisingly conservative religions would not be threatening the basic rights of women and the sexual minorities or they would not be threatening the right of free expression in so many countries, there would not be any need for atheist activity.

As long as there are remnants of old religious attitudes inbuilt in the very foundations of our nowadays so extremely secular society, there would be no need for an active counterbalance.

There is a however now a need to remind people that religions are manmade ideologies and power structures that have goals of their own. There must be atheists to remind people that the real motivation for religious organizations are not always the common good, but the continuation of their own power and wellbeing of their very own organization.

The new wave of atheist thinking brought about by Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett. Christopher Hitchens, Michel Onfray and many others is presenting a quite new and open challenge for the established religions, when the old atheism was more of a harmless club for those who had chosen atheism on their own.

Atheistic activism is however nothing more sinister than speaking and writing about the alternatives for religions.

Atheism is not forced upon helpless drunkards in shelters, it is not marketed with clubs for small children, it is not smuggled to the songs for boy scouts and it is not forced to people going through the greatest moments of joy and grief in their lives. People are not enrolled to be members of atheistic communities only a few months after their birth without asking their permission.

All these systems inbuilt in the framework of our society guarantee that the religious communities get their lions share of all the people in the society.

This automata will not go away before the basic structures of the society are modified so that do not support the spreading of these religious ideologies.

Atheist have a need to bring out their opinion, if they want others even to know that there really exists an alternative for a blind faith in old books.

Majority of atheists can well live with things being as they are now. Many are not even willing to argue with the nice ladies in the daycare-center why even their own children are not allowed to hear about the sweet child Jesus as is happening every day in daycare-centers here in Finland.

There are however a growing number of those who are really proud of their own decision to embrace a way of thinking that frees a human to mold his own view of the world freely without the ballast of old superstitions. These people are willing to speak out their minds to bring about a real change someday.

more at http://beinghuman.blogs.fi

The Bible, God, and the Constitution

Submitted By : Frederick H. Spoerl

There has been a lot of misinformation about what role religion played in the history of our great country, from many who claim that our constitution was inspired by Christianity… Here are a few facts that you might not have known.

The United States was the first nation in history to introduce the separation of church and state. The Christian principles that the Puritan had of burning witches and King George III’s mandate that subjects worship in a manner approved by the Church of England, made our Founding Fathers aware of the problems of having any religion involved in our new country.

Thomas Paine, one of our Founding Fathers, was the one, through his publication of “Common Cause” to instill in our country the movement to gain our independence from England . He was also the one who coined the phrase “ United States of America ”. Paine was a deist, who wrote the book “Age of Reason” which attacked and rejected Christianity and the Bible, stating, “The Christian system of religion is an outrage to common sense”.

Deism was a popular belief held in the 18th century by many of our Founding Fathers such as Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin. Deism was a belief that a supernatural power created the universe, though this creator did not intervene in personal human affairs.

Thomas Jefferson, the main writer of the Declaration of Independence, was also critical of Christianity and all religions. In a Letter to Dr. Wood, he stated, “They are all alike, founded upon fables and mythologies”. In 1802, while president; he was the one that coined the phrase “wall of separation between church and state”.

The treaty of Tripoli , which stated, “the government of the United States is not in any sense, founded on the Christian religion”, was drafted under Washington ’s presidency and signed by the new president John Adams in 1797.

Nowhere in the Bill of Rights or the Constitution does it mention God, Christianity, Heaven, Hell or The Ten Commandments or any religion. We are a nation based on the authority of “We the People”, not a god, ruler or dictator. The Constitution guarantees religious liberties to all religions, atheists and agnostics alike. The phrase “they are endowed by their Creator”, in the Declaration of Independence referred to the Deist Creator not the God of Christiany…

The presidential oath of office, as quoted in our constitution, does not end in “so help me god”. This is a phrase added by some of the presidents.

The Pledge of Allegiance was first published in 1892 and only in 1954 was the phrase “under God” inserted. In 1955 Congress passed the law to have “In God We Trust” appear on our coins and currency. These events happened during the McCarthy era and during the cold war. I could not think of any congressperson, at that time, who would dare vote against God. Our government represents all off the people even those who do not believe. So why should our government have these pledges and mottos that don’t represent all of the people?

Many think that our Constitution was based on the Ten Commandments. If we look at the first, nowhere in the Constitution does it mention having any gods nor in the second about making graven images. There is no Constitutional law that says we can’t swear or curse, in reference to the third. Show me one person who practiced the fourth of keeping the Sabbath holy, not in the Constitution. The fifth, could you actually honor a father who molested you, abuses or beats you, no I don’t think so, again not in the Constitution. The sixth, thou shall not kill. To kill in self defense or in war to protect you country I think would be justified. The seventh, committing adultery, though not a nice thing to do to your spouse doesn’t rate being in the Constitution… The eighth, thou shall not steal is a natural law of existence, although if you were to steal a loaf of bread to feed a starving child, I think it could be overlooked. The ninth, not to lie. Sometimes it could save hurting persons feelings. This is the one that is most violated by our politicians. The tenth not to covet the neighbor’s wife etc, again not in the Constitution. I wonder if it might be alright for the wife to covet the neighbor’s husband. You see monuments of the Ten Commandments in front of some of our court houses and federal buildings. They have nothing to do with how we are governened. Why are they there?

Slowly the religious right is trying to get their agenda into our public schools and government institutions, with such statements as our government was founded upon Christianity. This is completely erroneous. If you think it would be right to have religion in government and have our country become a theocracy, look at some of the Muslim countries.

For the sake of our great country let’s keep religion out of our schools and government.

By, Frederick H. Spoerl, Somers , MT. You may send comments to me at fredspoerl@yahoo.com

Where are the Cathedrals

Submitted by: variable
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When I think of an Atheist Church I think of a beautiful ornate building with stained glass impressions of Marie Curie, Charles Darwin, and images of how evolution may have happened. I think of karaoke being sung by hundreds of intelligent informed atheists in a huge building aglow with the energy of interesting lectures and interactive community games. So, if this is the First Church of Atheism, where are the buildings, and how do I help in making more of them? How do I make a career out of being a minister with weekly lessons on real cosmology, real biology, real social sciences, and real morality?
Let’s get it done!